On 28 February, 2009, CRI (Catholic Radio International), a well-known American international broadcaster, carried out a live telephone interview with Adnan Oktar on the Heart of the Matter program produced by Jeff Gardner. (You can hear the full broadcast here). The presenter introduced Mr. Oktar “the world’s best known creationist” and described how the author was still successfully laying out the disasters inflicted on the world by Darwinism, despite all the obstacles in his path.