Bülent Sezgin: Good night dear viewers. We start our discourse.
Adnan Oktar: Yes our guests are here. Welcome. Our guests are here. Welcome! Yes. You are a highly esteemed person. You are doing amazing services. First of all, you love Jesus Messiah. This is very important for us. You love God. And you wage a struggle against Darwinism.This is incredible. And you are a wise, cultured and well-mannered person.
And you triumph over the Darwinists, which is a cause for joy in our eyes.
Ken Keathley: Thank youThank you Mr. Oktar for the priviledge of being with you and coming to your beautiful and wonderful country of Turkey.
Adnan Oktar: You have honored us with your presence.
Ken Keathley: This is my very first time to come to the country. And I have been so impressed with the way you and your organisation, your people have shown me such hospitality and grace. You are very precious to us. You are always more than welcome to be our guest, we would be honored.
Ken Keathley: I am delighted to be here and I look forward to a long-term friendship.
Adnan Oktar: For eternity.
Ken Keathley: Yes
Adnan Oktar: Wonderful. We would like to hear nice things from you; what are your thoughts about Darwinists?
Ken Keathley: I say to a Darwinist that God loves him and wants him to repent and turn from the errors of his way.
Adnan Oktar: Very nice, very nice. And you accomplish this through knowledge and science.We all love Jesus Messiah, more than life itself. Will his second coming be realized?
Ken Keathley: As a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ as his lord and saviour, we look forward to his return and we pray for his return eagerly.
Adnan Oktar: Insha'Allah, his coming is imminent.
Ken Keathley: The way that we ask for this is with the Apostle John saying: Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.
Adnan Oktar: Insha'Allah, we hope that, with your good wishes and our prayers, he will come again, insha'Allah. Maybe he has already come but remains in hiding.
Ken Keathley: Well that would be an interesting conversation for us to have.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. But in my opinion, he has already come but he is awaiting favorable conditions to appear.
Ken Keathley: I would be glad to hear if you explain it some more so that I can understand what you mean.
Adnan Oktar: Esteemed Said Nursi says this in Risale-i Nur. And the hadiths also talk extensively about this issue. There are about a hundred prerequisites for the appearance of Jesus Messiah. And every one of them has come true.Halley and Lulin; both are two-tailed comets. Our Prophet heralds them as a sign of Jesus Messiah's second coming. The raid of the Kaaba.Devastation of Iraq and Syria. Intermittent lunar and solar eclipses a fortnight apart in the month of Ramadan. And nearly a hundred similar incidents... All of these signs have come true.In my opinion, it has been a while since Jesus Messiah returned.And he is kept in hiding by those who love him. He wears the exact same cloths as he did at the time of his ascension, carrying a few coins, his mirror and a comb in his pockets. Our Prophet describes him down to the color of his clothing. Our Prophet also says that, when he comes, his students and a distinguished few will recognize him by the radiance of his faith. When Jesus Messiah first comes, he will be left inside a house in a state of slumber.
In a state of slumber. When he wakes up, the household will take care of him. More signs of his coming will occur in the coming years, and you will witness them.
Ken Keathley: So would you say all of these would be fulfilled within a matter of days, months, years or decades?
Adnan Oktar: It will become clear in 10 years at the very most.
Ken Keathley: A maximum of ten years?
Adnan Oktar: Yes. Major changes will occur in Turkey. Major changes will occur in the Middle East, as well. Besides, shocking incidents continue to take place in Turkey, one after another.150 years ago, a deep state entity was formed in Britain. Or 200 years ago.This entity has striven hard to eliminate Islam, Christianity and Judaism through Darwinism and atheistic thought.Currently, there is a similar entity in London comprising of 300 members. This entity is called the dajjal movement. Among themselves, they address each other as 'Lord'. Jesus Messiah will abolish this entity and effectively destroy it. He will also ally with Muslims against it. Said Nursi says this.
Ken Keathley: How would you understand? The deep state and Jesus to attack or engage with each other? Do you expect a battle?
Adnan Oktar: No, that is not true. Jesus Messiah will not shed even a single drop of blood.
Adnan Oktar: He will abolish all wars.
Adnan Oktar: He will abolish terrorism.
Adnan Oktar: All the weapons factories will be closed down.
Adnan Oktar: These are the duties of Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: He will act in unison with the Mahdi movement, with Moshiach Mahdi.
Adnan Oktar: The Moshiach anticipated by Jews and the Mahdi anticipated by Muslims is actually the same person.
Adnan Oktar: For example, in the 61st verse of Surat az-Zukhruf, God says, "He [Jesus Messiah] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it." God says this in the 61st verse of Surat az-Zukhruf.
Adnan Oktar: God swears an oath in the 159th verse of Surah an-Nisa; "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Rising he will be a witness against them." In other words, God says both Jews and Christians will all become believers.
Adnan Oktar: Another example, in the 55th verse of Surah Al 'Imran, God says, "Jesus...I will place the people who follow you above those who disbelieve until the Day of Rising." In other words, God tells Jesus in the verse, 'You will be a power superior to the dajjal movement and triumph over them."
Adnan Oktar: For example, the invasion of Afghanistan is a sign of the second coming of the Messiah, which has already come true.
Adnan Oktar: The Iran-Iraq War, as heralded in the hadiths, took place in 1980. It is another sign of the coming of Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: The appearance of the Star of Bethlehem, likewise, is another sign. It first appeared when Jesus Messiah was born, and then it appeared again in his second coming. As you know, The Star of Bethlehem has appeared once again.
Adnan Oktar: And it has appeared quite recently.
Adnan Oktar: When we see Jesus Messiah, he will be in his early fifties.
Adnan Oktar: According to what Said Nursi says, Jesus Messiah is currently engaged in an activity that has an impact on the global politics.
Adnan Oktar: Muslims and Christians will forge a powerful alliance, but this alliance will comprise of sincere Christians and level-headed Muslims who abide by the Qur'an and oppose groups such as ISIS, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda.
Adnan Oktar: In the coming years, these groups will grow in strength.
Adnan Oktar: This is also another sign of the second coming Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah will wear modern clothing.
Adnan Oktar: Think of his appearance as a movie star; his hair will again be long.
Adnan Oktar: Yes, he will have a handsome and young appearance.
Adnan Oktar: Although he is in his early fifties, he will look no older than 30. He will look 30 - 33.
Adnan Oktar: You will personally witness this.
Adnan Oktar: Keep an eye on the future developments and remain in contact with us. I will personally inform you in every such development.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah has long, blond hair.
Adnan Oktar: His hair is actually more of a reddish blond.
Adnan Oktar: His hair also has an atypical, translucent appearance. It has a peculiar wet and translucent look to it.
Adnan Oktar: He has a freckled face.
Adnan Oktar: His hair has a golden tinge.
Adnan Oktar: But it also resembles auburn; it is between auburn and golden.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah has an almost above-average height.
Adnan Oktar: He has an unblemished face and a thin, elegant nose.
Adnan Oktar: He has a penetrating gaze.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah also has a truly beautiful face.
Adnan Oktar: He has a neatly trimmed, elegant beard.
Adnan Oktar: He has gray, piercing eyes.
Adnan Oktar: His has longish, delicate fingers. He has an athletic built.
Adnan Oktar: Also, he is very agile and dashing.
Adnan Oktar: We will identify Jesus Messiah by the fact that he will have no family, relatives; no one. We will identify him from the fact that he will have no parents.
Adnan Oktar: When he first returns to earth, he speaks no language except Aramaic. But as the time passes, he will learn and speak many other languages.
Adnan Oktar: He will later be able to speak 10-12 different languages, but his original language is Aramaic.
Adnan Oktar: He is also an artisan; he is a carpenter and stonemason, a masterful craftsman in both areas.
Adnan Oktar: He will know both the Qur'an and the Bible by heart.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah has exceptional memorization ability; he has an unimaginable intelligence.
Adnan Oktar: In other words, he does not forget anything he reads.
Adnan Oktar: This is a fairly common occurrence among prophets as our Prophet had the same ability as well.
Adnan Oktar: But Jesus Messiah's memorization ability is on another level.
Adnan Oktar: Again, he will be able to heal the disease Vitiligo with a touch on the face, but the healing process will not be instant, but rather take some time.
Adnan Oktar: He will again perform certain miracles.
Adnan Oktar: But, of course, these miracles will not be in a way to oblige people to believe.
Adnan Oktar: Luke 22:9-11; " 'Where do you want us to prepare for it?' they [his disciples] asked. He [Jesus Messiah] replied, 'As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters...'" You will get to see this man, as well.
Adnan Oktar: John, 14:15-16; "If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask Lord, and He will give you another advocate [Paraclete] to help you and be with you forever."
We will witness it come true, as well.
Adnan Oktar: The man carrying a jar of water and the Paraclete might be the same person.
Ken Keathley: Could he say again which language is Jesus speaking now?
Adnan Oktar: He can speak almost all languages, I presume. English, French, Turkish, Arabic. He is quite fluent in Arabic, and in all others.
Adnan Oktar: That is, he can speak all the major, most widely spoken languages.
Ken Keathley: For how long do you think that Jesus has been here on Earth?
Adnan Oktar: I guess he has been here on earth since 2002.
Ken Keathley: What is it about the year 2002 that makes him think that this was the year?
Adnan Oktar: The Qur'an, too, has a recurring pattern of repeating numbers of 2.
Adnan Oktar: In the Qur'an, one thousand years pass as if one year, in other words, God says in the Qur'an that the passage of time is relative.
Adnan Oktar: Both his ascent and descent lasts 1000 years.
Ken Keathley: You give a great deal of detail. The way that he looks, the colour of his hair, the way his skin looks. Can you tell me how it is that… do you know where he is at? Do you think you know where he is at? Is this how you know this information? Have you seen him?
Adnan Oktar: No, I did not see him.
Adnan Oktar: But no one would talk about it even if they saw him, knowing that it would be treacherous to do so.
Adnan Oktar: Because then they might easily attempt to murder him, martyr him.
Adnan Oktar: They might try to burn down the building he lives in .
Adnan Oktar: Because he does not have an I.D. They would consider him a threat. He doesn’t own an identity card.
Adnan Oktar: This fact would arouse suspicion.
Adnan Oktar: In other words, he can only appear in a very safe world.
Adnan Oktar: In my opinion, he will come out upon the assurance of the safe atmosphere Moshiach Mahdi will provide.
Adnan Oktar: And he will appear in Jerusalem.
Adnan Oktar: He will appear at a big meeting, attended by Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, in Jerusalem.
Adnan Oktar: There is an elderly figure at the helm of the British deep state.
Adnan Oktar: One of his eyes is impaired and lacks sight.
Adnan Oktar: Since he also claims to be the Messiah, he, too, will be there.
Adnan Oktar: This person coming from Britain will work great miracles through hypnosis and spiritualism.
Adnan Oktar: He will be there to prove the invalidity of Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: He will be there to refute him.
Adnan Oktar: Our Prophet says, "Just as salt dissolves in water, Dajjal will dissolve when he meets Jesus Messiah."
Adnan Oktar: At the moment of Jesus Messiah's appearance, adhans [call to prayer] will be recited, church bells will toll, and shofars will be blown, all at once. Hundreds of shofars will be blown.
Adnan Oktar: The Qur'an and our Prophet's hadiths provide us with all these information.
Adnan Oktar: But anyone who sees Jesus Messiah and reports his location would be committing a terrible treachery, and brings nothing but big trouble to himself.
Adnan Oktar: The one who attempted before got himself into deep trouble.
Adnan Oktar: In short, untimely disclosure of his location would be a treachery.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. Knowing that you are on such wonderful missions makes me happy. You stand like a stronghold before Darwinism. May God increase the number of people as yourself. We thoroughly support your efforts.
Ken Keathley: Thank you very much. I have listened to what he has said about Jesus and the second coming with great interest.
Ken Keathley: I am as you know a Christian theologian so I have my information about the second coming of Jesus from the Bible.
And I am sure that you and I can have very interesting discussions about how we would interpret what the scripture has to say about the second coming of Jesus.
Adnan Oktar: Yes, let's keep in constant touch. Let's hold a dinner gathering with Christian clergymen where we can also have a pleasant conversation. It would be wonderful. Let's unite our forces.
Ken Keathley: The information that he has given to us, is this entirely from his interpretation of the Qur’an and the hadiths? Or does he have more information such as the spirit prophecy?
Adnan Oktar: And also Risale-i Nur [the Treaties of Light].
Adnan Oktar: No, I do not possess such ability.
Adnan Oktar: I do not have any metaphysical abilities. I am an ordinary person.
Adnan Oktar: I do hear some information from people there.
Ken Keathley: Because you gave such remarkable information, I find it quiet amazing. I didn’t know if these were taught in the hadith or this was your interpretation of the hadith or since you were talking about things such as the colour of his hair and such personal descriptions I was wondering if you had more information than just the hadith.
Adnan Oktar: But mostly from the hadiths and the Qur'an.
Adnan Oktar: And also Risale-i Nur [the Treaties of Light]
Ken Keathley: Say that again, the Treaties of Light?
Ken Keathley: Can he explain what that is? I am not sure I know.
Adnan Oktar: Risale-i Nur is a 12-volume book collection [of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi]. It comprises of Said Nursi's reflections. He foretold the appearance of the Mahdi 90 years ago.
Adnan Oktar: Peculiarly, Said Nursi writes in his book that the Mahdi's (as) first task will be to eliminate Darwinism and materialism and that he will appear in Istanbul in 1980.
He foretold this 90 years ago.
Adnan Oktar: It is widely believed that Jerusalem is the Mahdi's place of appearance, but here Said Nursi says that it is actually in Istanbul.
Adnan Oktar: Here, it clearly writes that the Mahdi will appear 1400 years later. It is written in this book, here.
Adnan Oktar: Yes, he clearly writes about a truth that he will appear 1400 years later.
Adnan Oktar: He uses a sometimes obscure and sometimes explicit tone about this subject. He also had predicted the time of his death, and his prediction came true.
Adnan Oktar: He also gives the dates of coups that would take place in Turkey.
Adnan Oktar: He foretold this 90 years ago.
Adnan Oktar: He also heralds the major incidents to come.
Adnan Oktar: For instance, he says that his grave will be destroyed.
Adnan Oktar: He also says that the Mahdi will be a modern person.
Adnan Oktar: He says that the Mahdi will be a modern person, rather than a conservative.
Adnan Oktar: He also makes deductions from the Qur'an by giving numerical value to letters and adding them in certain ways. Thus, he predicts the dates of certain events.
Adnan Oktar: For example, he says,"Although defeated before the atheistic movement while separate, as a result of their union, Christianity and Islam will acquire the capability to defeat and rout it. Then the person of Jesus (Upon whom be peace), who is present with his human body in the world of the heavens," with God, "...will come to lead the current of true religion, as, relying on the promise of One Powerful Over. All Things, the Bringer of Sure News has said. Since he has told of it, it is true, and since the One Powerful Over All Things has promised it, He will certainly bring it about.” “When Jesus (Upon whom be peace) comes, not everyone will know him to be the true Jesus. His elect and those close to him will recognize him through the light of belief. It will not be self-evident so that everyone will recognize him." Said Nursi says that not everyone will know Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: He says, "Not everyone has to know of him when he first comes.
Adnan Oktar: His elect and those close to him will recognize him through the light of belief."
Adnan Oktar: He extensively explains the reasons for Jesus Messiah's second coming.
Adnan Oktar: But separated, Judaism, Christianity and Islam do not stand a chance against the dajjal movement. But united, they will prevail against it.
Adnan Oktar: Here Said Nursi says that the Prophet Jesus will neutralize the dajjal and the entire population of the world will become religious.
Adnan Oktar: Said Nursi is the most trusted and respected Islamic scholar among Muslims in Turkey, and also in the Middle East.
Adnan Oktar: The Fethullah Gülen movement first temporarily consulted these books. Then, under the command of the dajjal, they
waged a struggle against Said Nursi's books.
They renounced these books. They struggled against these books.
Adnan Oktar: They were even ashamed of his name.
Adnan Oktar: And needless to say, they ended up in trouble.
Adnan Oktar: I had warned them beforehand that they would end up in deep trouble if they continued to do so. I had warned them.
Ken Keathley: So these works are the works of a prophet? Do you understand him to be a prophet? These volumes ?
Adnan Oktar: No, he says, "I am an ordinary person.
Adnan Oktar: I am a vanguard of the promised Mahdi; I am his servant that lays the ground for him."
Adnan Oktar: In other words, he says "I am paving the way for his coming."
Ken Keathley: With so much information been given like this, I would understand someone to be claiming that they are receiving this knowledge from God. Is that what he is claiming that he has received this information from God?
Adnan Oktar: He clearly possesses some metaphysical qualities although he denies it.
Adnan Oktar: Because he says, "I would dream about the events of the next day." And sure enough, everything he said would come true.
Adnan Oktar: He was a truly honest Muslim.
Adnan Oktar: This fact becomes evident when you read his books.
Ken Keathley: It is very clear that you are a scholar of Islamic works and that you know them very well. It would be interesting to hear what you think of these writings and how you would put them together with what Jesus had to say about his second coming in Matthews Gospel Chapter 24.
Adnan Oktar: Very true."I will come suddenly," says Jesus Messiah,
Adnan Oktar: "...like a thief." But mind you that there is a crucial point in here. Thieves break into houses.
And they do so at night. Since he, too, will enter the house without permission, he likens his second coming to a thief. Because he does not ask the owner of the house for permission at all. This is normally considered a crime. But he comes this way, because he comes for the sake of God. In other words, he will come into a religious family, a religious Christian community.
Adnan Oktar: What Bediuzzaman said is exactly true. So he draws a highly accurate similarity.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah says, "You will see the signs in the sky" What he says is true.
Adnan Oktar: He says, "You will see the signs on the earth" This is also true.
Adnan Oktar: He says, "Many false messiahs will emerge before my coming." This is true, as well.
Adnan Oktar: Everything he says is true.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah is the most honest man in the world.
Adnan Oktar: According to our belief.
Ken Keathley: I have listened with interest and respect because I always enjoy the opportunity to learn from those who have studied things that I have not. So I have listened with great interest. I am a Christian so my understanding of the second coming of Christ comes from the Bible so you will understand if I have some different opinions.
Adnan Oktar: Yes, of course. Otherwise, it would be strange.
Adnan Oktar: "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars," says Jesus Messiah. We hear of wars, hear the sound of exploding bombs. We hear them on television every day.
Adnan Oktar: This is important, "But do not be alarmed," he says.
Adnan Oktar: Because believers are not under any risk.
Adnan Oktar: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom," he says.
Adnan Oktar: All of these are currently happening.
Adnan Oktar: They are happening on a large scale.
Adnan Oktar: "There will be famines," says Jesus Messiah. They, too, are happening right now.
Adnan Oktar: "...and earthquakes in various places," he says. And earthquakes are happening at an unprecedented frequency.
Adnan Oktar: It is currently at its highest point in the last one hundred thousand years.
Adnan Oktar: "“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death," he says.
Adnan Oktar: "...and you will be hated by all nations because of my name."
Adnan Oktar: Many Christians suffer persecution, beatings and are put to death throughout the world.
Adnan Oktar: Many foolish, witless Muslims go ahead and kill Christians.
Ken Keathley: I deeply appreciate your call for peace and respect to Christians who are being oppressed. I am very grateful for you doing that.
Ken Keathley: And I recognize that that is a very brave and difficult thing for you to do, to speak in such a favourable way for religious toleration when this is not always the popular perspective and so I appreciate you being a voice for peace.
Adnan Oktar: We watch over the Jews as well.
Ken Keathley: And I respect your courage and your desire to be a peace-maker.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah. And we are proud of this wonderful struggle you wage.
Adnan Oktar: For example, Jesus Messiah says, "Days will be shortened." Indeed, days go by very quickly.
Adnan Oktar: "...for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened," says Jesus Messiah. This means that, in that era, there will be a group of elect people.
Adnan Oktar: Look, he says, "At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it." In other words, his location will be unknown.
Adnan Oktar: Besides, he says "Do not give information about my location."
Adnan Oktar: "Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. Watch out that no one deceives you," says Jesus Messiah.
Adnan Oktar: "And they will deceive, if possible, even the elect." In other words, they will try to deceive even Mahdi, saying things like "...Jesus Messiah has come. You must follow him." For example, such false messiahs appear in America and other places all the time. Jesus Messiah says in the Bible says that they will even try to deceive Mahdi. "They will try to deviate even the elect," he says
Adnan Oktar: "Keep watch" he says. "Stand vigilant. If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch."
So it can be deduced that he will come at night.
Adnan Oktar: There is a message, a sign in this verse.
Adnan Oktar: "He will come at an hour when you do not expect him," it says.
Adnan Oktar: "Those who endure until the very end, those who exercise their wills will attain salvation."
Adnan Oktar: "Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold," he says; in other words, the world will become devoid of love. Right now, the world is indeed devoid of love. There is a public outcry in the whole world that people's hearts have grown cold.
Adnan Oktar: At that time, many will turn away from the faith. As of late, the number of atheists and hypocrites have greatly increased.
Adnan Oktar: "They will betray and hate each other." Indeed, people hate each other and try to make each other suffer by informing against them.
Adnan Oktar: Jesus Messiah originally only speaks Aramiac; he will learn other languages later.
Adnan Oktar: Few people across the world speak Aramiac.
Adnan Oktar: It is a lovely language.
Adnan Oktar: Meeting with and befriending prominent members of the Christian community, priests, clergymen such as yourself and waging the struggle together would be a great honor for us. We are looking forward to receive your good news.
Ken Keathley: I think that on certainly the issue of creation and Darwinism and the threat of materialism I think that we would agree that they are doing great damage to the minds of many people.
Ken Keathley: If you teach people that the main thing about life is selfishness and that it is a matter of the survival of the fittest, we should not be surprised whenever the society starts to look like a jungle.
Ken Keathley: When there is the loss of faith in God, it is humanity that dies.
Adnan Oktar: True. The dajjal is currently trying to do this, but thanks be to God, we believe Jesus Messiah to be here on earth and Moshiach Mahdi to have already come.
Adnan Oktar: But I am not a scholar. I am an ordinary person. I do not possess any metaphysical abilities or religious knowledge on a scholarly level. People have this misconception about me.
Adnan Oktar: I am not trying to be humble. This is how it really is.
Ken Keathley: Well I do appreciate the opportunity to have this dialogue and I am quiet amazed at the influence that you have had in promoting peace in the way that it was explained to me. So it was fascinating that you have had such an effective ministry in the various political powers.
Adnan Oktar: How nice. Insha'Allah, both you and I will have the opportunity to be Jesus Messiah's students.
Ken Keathley: One of the things that I study and one of the things that I teach at the Seminary is that I teach about the second coming of Christ.
Adnan Oktar: Wonderful.
Ken Keathley: So I have spent a lifetime of studying the words of Jesus and of the Apostles and of the Prophets of the Old Testament as they have described what it would be like when the Messiah comes in his glory.
Ken Keathley: When Jesus ascended up into Heaven in front of the disciples, angels came to the disciples saying, “Men of Galilee why are you staring looking at the Heavens?”
Ken Keathley: “This Jesus whom you saw ascended to heaven, you shall see him return in like manner.”
Ken Keathley: The last book of the New Testament was of course was written by the Apostle John and it is the Book of Revelation.
Ken Keathley: And it gives us a great hope that there is coming the day when Jesus will return.
Ken Keathley: And John says, “Behold he comes in the clouds.”
Ken Keathley: “And every eye shall see him”
Ken Keathley: And so John was looking eagerly for the second coming of Christ in which all things would be made right.
Ken Keathley: This was also the desire of the Apostle Paul.
Ken Keathley: Whenever the church was concerned about when Jesus would return, Paul had told them not to be concerned and to worry as those who have no hope.
Ken Keathley: And I look forward to the day that I am able to say “Thank you” to him face to face.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah.
Ken Keathley: And I agree that we should struggle against the materialistic and naturalistic point of view that has brought such damage and death to our society and we need to get back to the truth that says “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
Adnan Oktar: Thank you very much. We have benefited greatly from your knowledge and hope to continue to do so, insha'Allah.
Bülent Sezgin: We thank Mr. Keathley very much.
