PRESENTER: Brother Said, about the descent of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), our Master Bediuzzaman clearly and explicitly stated that he is in the heavens with his human body.
SAID OZDEMIR: I know.
PRESENTER:Now at this time, some people make explanations stating that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is a collective identity or that he had already died, etc. However His Highness Bediuzzaman says that even if he were in the farthest corner of the Heaven..
SAID OZDEMIR:Now look, "..to give him a body and to bring him to life, to make him perform that task is due to the glory of that Divine Power of Allah." It is in the meaning that it is not out of His Power, he says it in that meaning. In that case, that means he will come but not everyone could know that he is the Prophet Jesus. That is because the secret of the test would thus be broken; however he [Bediuzzaman] says the ones with very powerful light; I mean the ones with powerful projectors would know that he is the Prophet Jesus (a.s.) but of course only a few would know. But he will perform his task. What will he do? He will remove the system of the dajjal (anti-christ) and unbelief from the face of this world. He [Bediuzzaman] says that he[the Prophet Jesus (a.s.)] will [intellectually]kill and disperse the regime dajjal has founded.
That is the ones with the strong light-
PRESENTER: That means both Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) are individuals that could be known through the light of faith.
SAID OZDEMIR: Of course, of course. That is because the secret of the suggestion of Almighty Allah would be broken I mean in that respect Almighty Allah do not create it out in the open in order to prevent the secret of the test being broken. However the ones whose light of faith is powerful would know that He is the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and that he is the Mahdi (pbuh).
PRESENTER: Insha'Allah. But here as well His Highness, Master Bediuzzaman clearly says that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is an individual; and he says "Jesus himself" anyway. And he also mentions Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as an individual. I mean he is referring to that in many places. There is probably no conflict whatsoever in this; about this matter I mean.
SAID OZDEMIR: No, of course. These are all drawn from the hadiths of our Prophet (saas). In the hadiths our Prophet (saas) gives the glad tidings that both the Mahdi (a.s.) and the Prophet Jesus (a.s.) will come. In the hadiths, he says; "the Prophet Jesus (a.s.) will come, he will become one of my ummah, he will act by the religious law I brought" That means the Prophet Jesus (a.s.) will not come as a prophet but as one from the ummah of our Prophet (saas) and by demolishing unbelief directly, peace and tranquility will prevail the whole w orld.
PRESENTER:Some brothers talk about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as.. I have counted, His Highness Bediuzzaman refers to Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as an individual and as a person in more than 60 different places. And in some places he refers to him [Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)] as a collective identity. Did our Master explain Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) to you as an individual or as a collective identity?
SAID OZDEMIR:Well as a person. He will come as a person and directly compile the truths of the Qur'an according to the provisions of this age, according to the understanding of this century. The truths of the Qur'an will be compiled by being explained.
PRESENTER:That means the Union of Islam will be established again by Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will come after that..
SAID OZDEMIR: After that, the Prophet Jesus (a.s) will come insha'Allah.
PRESENTER: Alhamdulillah. Our Master has given a lot of glad tidings, for instance about the descent of the Prophet Jesus, he says, "even if he were dead in the farthest corner of the Heaven, Almighty Allah will bring him back."
SAID OZDEMIR:He says Allah will bring him back again.
PRESENTER:About this point…
SAID OZDEMIR: Now his highness Bediuzzaman says; there will be two movements in the End Times. One is the movement of dissension. That movement of dissension with the leadership of a hypocrite will work to damage the sharia of Islam.
